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	<title>Comments on: Financial Primer For Self-Funded Startups, Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: preston.lee</title>
		<link>http://www.prestonlee.com/2008/09/10/financial-primer-for-self-funded-startups-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>preston.lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TOMAS

Most definitely... already working on Part 2 :)</description>
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<p>Most definitely&#8230; already working on Part 2 <img src='http://www.prestonlee.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TOMAS</title>
		<link>http://www.prestonlee.com/2008/09/10/financial-primer-for-self-funded-startups-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-620</link>
		<dc:creator>TOMAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Preston, I kept the email you posted on the Refresh Google Group and just got around to checking out your post.  I must say that it is quite thorough and I&#039;m definitely going to have to read it again just to make sure I understand everything correctly.  Regardless, please do keep writing about finance and accounting as it has applied to your start up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Preston, I kept the email you posted on the Refresh Google Group and just got around to checking out your post.  I must say that it is quite thorough and I&#8217;m definitely going to have to read it again just to make sure I understand everything correctly.  Regardless, please do keep writing about finance and accounting as it has applied to your start up!</p>
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		<title>By: preston.lee</title>
		<link>http://www.prestonlee.com/2008/09/10/financial-primer-for-self-funded-startups-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-637</link>
		<dc:creator>preston.lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bob

Also, as a general rule of thumb I would strongly discourage you from taking initial investment money from a close relative.  If you do chose to do so, make absolutely, 100% certain that both of your roles in the company are well defined before any money changes hands. The potential for bickering and control issues are so strong it&#039;s probably best to politely decline.

Sometimes the biggest risks aren&#039;t financial. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bob</p>
<p>Also, as a general rule of thumb I would strongly discourage you from taking initial investment money from a close relative.  If you do chose to do so, make absolutely, 100% certain that both of your roles in the company are well defined before any money changes hands. The potential for bickering and control issues are so strong it&#8217;s probably best to politely decline.</p>
<p>Sometimes the biggest risks aren&#8217;t financial. <img src='http://www.prestonlee.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: preston.lee</title>
		<link>http://www.prestonlee.com/2008/09/10/financial-primer-for-self-funded-startups-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-636</link>
		<dc:creator>preston.lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bob

There are a *lot* of ways to handle treat your brother-in-laws investment. (Let&#039;s call him Charlie.) At the highest level, the first thing you&#039;ll need to determine is if the money should be treated as a debt liability or equity.

If you&#039;ll be obligated to pay it back every month plus interest (like a car loan), then you would consider it debt, and the business will likely benefit from being able to deduct the interest on its taxes!

If Charlie (or a developer) is looking for something more along the lines of, say, 2% of the company--which is an extremely common situation in self-funded startups--this would be considered equity and you are not responsible for paying any such interest, dividend or coupon payment etc. This is still complicated, however, because Charlie&#039;s exit strategy is not clear, and you will have to make decisions on dilutability, vesting, transferability, Charlie&#039;s management rights and responsibilites (if any), how the company tax liability will be distributed every year etc. and have a formal operating agreement to take care of all these details. The details will also vary by company type and will likely require the guidance of a attorney and financial advisor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bob</p>
<p>There are a *lot* of ways to handle treat your brother-in-laws investment. (Let&#8217;s call him Charlie.) At the highest level, the first thing you&#8217;ll need to determine is if the money should be treated as a debt liability or equity.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ll be obligated to pay it back every month plus interest (like a car loan), then you would consider it debt, and the business will likely benefit from being able to deduct the interest on its taxes!</p>
<p>If Charlie (or a developer) is looking for something more along the lines of, say, 2% of the company&#8211;which is an extremely common situation in self-funded startups&#8211;this would be considered equity and you are not responsible for paying any such interest, dividend or coupon payment etc. This is still complicated, however, because Charlie&#8217;s exit strategy is not clear, and you will have to make decisions on dilutability, vesting, transferability, Charlie&#8217;s management rights and responsibilites (if any), how the company tax liability will be distributed every year etc. and have a formal operating agreement to take care of all these details. The details will also vary by company type and will likely require the guidance of a attorney and financial advisor.</p>
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		<title>By: @bob</title>
		<link>http://www.prestonlee.com/2008/09/10/financial-primer-for-self-funded-startups-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-635</link>
		<dc:creator>@bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if your brother in law wants to put $5000 in because he thinks it&#039;s a great idea?  How do arrive to some kind of equity figure to assign to his investment?  I realize were talking about self funded startups, so maybe it&#039;s better addressed in a seperate piece.  What if you want to give your developer some equity in exchange for her work?

Great article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if your brother in law wants to put $5000 in because he thinks it&#8217;s a great idea?  How do arrive to some kind of equity figure to assign to his investment?  I realize were talking about self funded startups, so maybe it&#8217;s better addressed in a seperate piece.  What if you want to give your developer some equity in exchange for her work?</p>
<p>Great article!</p>
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		<title>By: preston.lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>preston.lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kimbro

That&#039;s another great idea. Acquisition of both new clients and capital is another one of those large scary topics as a new entrepreneur.</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s another great idea. Acquisition of both new clients and capital is another one of those large scary topics as a new entrepreneur.</p>
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		<title>By: preston.lee</title>
		<link>http://www.prestonlee.com/2008/09/10/financial-primer-for-self-funded-startups-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-633</link>
		<dc:creator>preston.lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Phillip

I agree. The &quot;2 weeks&quot; part is really just to communicate that you don&#039;t yet have the money to which you are entitled.

We mitigate the risks associated with these issues in a couple simple ways...

 * Requiring a 100% refundable security deposit up front to detract the fly-by-night dirtbags. (Yeah, we&#039;ve been bitten before.)
 * Clearly stating the terms of payment and sticking to them. A website-issued check takes but a couple minutes of client time. A wire of about is about same with a slight bank fee. If it&#039;s a larger company and truly a time-to-process issue on the client side, fine, but small/medium businesses generally move faster, so &quot;Umm... I&#039;ll send it tomorrow.&quot; is not an acceptable response from a delinquent client. There&#039;s just too much risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Phillip</p>
<p>I agree. The &#8220;2 weeks&#8221; part is really just to communicate that you don&#8217;t yet have the money to which you are entitled.</p>
<p>We mitigate the risks associated with these issues in a couple simple ways&#8230;</p>
<p> * Requiring a 100% refundable security deposit up front to detract the fly-by-night dirtbags. (Yeah, we&#8217;ve been bitten before.)<br />
 * Clearly stating the terms of payment and sticking to them. A website-issued check takes but a couple minutes of client time. A wire of about is about same with a slight bank fee. If it&#8217;s a larger company and truly a time-to-process issue on the client side, fine, but small/medium businesses generally move faster, so &#8220;Umm&#8230; I&#8217;ll send it tomorrow.&#8221; is not an acceptable response from a delinquent client. There&#8217;s just too much risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Hallstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Hallstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.

Only thing I&#039;d nitpick about is expecting payment to &quot;clear within 2 weeks.&quot;  That is remarkably quick in my experience (a month is more reasonable).  If it&#039;s an international check it can take even longer (even once it&#039;s in your bank it can take a month for your bank to clear it with the vendor&#039;s bank -- i got bit by this once -- at which point your bank promptly undoes the deposit).

I only mention this as it has a direct affect on the cash flow issues you mention later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.</p>
<p>Only thing I&#8217;d nitpick about is expecting payment to &#8220;clear within 2 weeks.&#8221;  That is remarkably quick in my experience (a month is more reasonable).  If it&#8217;s an international check it can take even longer (even once it&#8217;s in your bank it can take a month for your bank to clear it with the vendor&#8217;s bank &#8212; i got bit by this once &#8212; at which point your bank promptly undoes the deposit).</p>
<p>I only mention this as it has a direct affect on the cash flow issues you mention later.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimbro Staken</title>
		<link>http://www.prestonlee.com/2008/09/10/financial-primer-for-self-funded-startups-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-631</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimbro Staken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Preston. Make sure you follow it up with one on extending terms and what that really means especially with big companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Preston. Make sure you follow it up with one on extending terms and what that really means especially with big companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Primer For Self-Funded Startups, Part 1 &#124; Preston Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.prestonlee.com/2008/09/10/financial-primer-for-self-funded-startups-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-630</link>
		<dc:creator>Financial Primer For Self-Funded Startups, Part 1 &#124; Preston Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Financial Primer For Self-Funded Startups, Part 1 &#124; Preston Lee ere’s a brief financial primer on what you need to understand before taking the big leap, and key issues you’ll need to grok for after ExampleTech begins operations. [...]</description>
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